Okay, this is a thread where we can discuss possible rules and general changes to TT in 2008.

Things that need discussing are:
- TB rules
- size of draws
- YEC format (groups with 8 singles players or like it is or something completely new etc)
- commitment deadlines
- anything else you think of


I just have one request. Please don't just post what you want changed, if you post then please post your suggestion, make a valid contribution and not just something for the sake of posting. It would be much clearer like that, post in what way do you think the rules should be changed.

I have a small technical suggestion regarding doubles. Set ratios are not used in singles, when there are 8 or more matches on the OOP. Well my suggestion is that we don't use set ratios for doubles, when there are 8 matches or more combined on the OOP, which means that if there are 4 matches on the OOP, then the set ratios don't get counted for doubles as each player picks 4 matches and that makes 8 matches in total for a team. I know my explanation is rather complicated, but it's a simple change. :lol:

- TB rules

I think TB's are ok...We don't need CB nor Rank in almost situations so i like this TB's

- size of draws

We have now more than 130 players so I think 128 draws should be used in Slams..The rest should be like the real tour...

- YEC format

I think groups should be used wherever we use 2 groups of four with the first two of each group in the semis or 4 groups of 4 with the first of each group going to the semis..

- commitment deadlines

I think the single commitments should be made in the thread of the tournament...
i think that we should have a deadline(for singles and doubles) on the Friday before the tournament. The quali should be played on the weekend before the tournament and the tournament should begin on Monday...
Everyone who commits after the deadline shouldn't play except if the draw isn't full.

- anything else you think of

challengers should be in this forum and not in the challengers forum...they are easier to find..

And no to WC's...in MTF they are having too much trouble because of them...

Can we not count players who lose in the first round...I'm sick of adding 50 teams to the race each week :lol:

I just think the draws should be as the manager thinks its good :shrug:

I just think the draws should be as the manager thinks its good :shrug:

So let me make Estoril a 64 draw...BTW That tournament is mine next year and don't dare to try to get it :armed:

I agree with everything Rui said, really everything.
Funny to see someone thinking exactly the same as me. :lol:

I just think the draws should be as the manager thinks its good :shrug:

No :tape:
Australian Open manager: This year we will have a 32 players draw :D :lol:

I agree with everything Rui said, really everything.
Funny to see someone thinking exactly the same as me. :lol:

:rolls:

Thanks

I remembered something: I think slams should have only 2 managers...4 is very confusing :help:

No :tape:
Australian Open manager: This year we will have a 32 players draw :D :lol:

:ras: a 16 draw would be better ;)

:ras: a 16 draw would be better ;)

It was just in example :p

For doubles, if one person does not send picks -- it should be an entire walkover. This is especially important for alternates. If this is like "real tennis", you can't play with one person. I think it's like that on MTF. I think we should do that. It's more fair.

Okay, this is a thread where we can discuss possible rules and general changes to TT in 2008.

Things that need discussing are:
- TB rules
- size of draws
- YEC format (groups with 8 singles players or like it is or something completely new etc)
- commitment deadlines
- anything else you think of


I just have one request. Please don't just post what you want changed, if you post then please post your suggestion, make a valid contribution and not just something for the sake of posting. It would be much clearer like that, post in what way do you think the rules should be changed.

TB Rules: Like I started to bring up in the YEC thread, I just think it needs to be ironed out for sure, because people might have differing views on what's "closer":

Example: Davenport d. Henin 6-2 6-2
Player A: Davenport 6-4 6-0
Player B: Davenport 6-3 6-3

Who wins? Player A merely because they gave 4 total games to Henin? I personally think Player B was closer just by looking at the score, but maybe most don't agree with my logic ;) Maybe the majority of players agree that games given in sum is closer and that's fine, I just think it needs to be clarified for sure.

Also, what is better - giving the correct number of games to the winner or to the loser:
Davenport d. Henin 6-3 6-3
Player A = Davenport 7-6 6-0 = 6 games correctly to Henin
Player B = Davenport 6-4 6-4 = 12 games correctly to Davenport?

What wins here? I'm assuming Player B, but things like this just need to be clarified IMO.

Size of Draws: I don't understand why the game didn't just follow the schedule and calander Tomek. developed at the beginning of the season. Make 1 set schedule with pre-set draw sizes and stick to it - it saves managers a lot of time and headaches dealing with unruly players and tough situations and stops riots before the begin from both sides. We've been having some good ITF turnout, so I say have backup ITFs for people who can't get into the main WTA events.

YEC format: Even though it would exclude more players, I think a Round Robin 8 person format would be REALLY fun. :)

Commitment Deadlines: This one is hard. I think managers should do everything in their possible to make the commitment deadline as late as possible. Would it be possible to have a uniform commitment deadline week-in, week-out? (ie, you have to enter a tournament by the Saturday before a tournament at 3pm GMT) - so people will know beforehand how early they have to enter by and it doesn't cause difficult situations with managers who get people who didn't know when the deadline was, enter 10 mins late, etc. If we can make one universal deadline week-in, week-out, it can get rid of the guess work here and can be enforced without feeling guilty, because people will know when they have to enter by.

Doubles: I agree with your suggestion for Doubles SRs Milan, and I also like In The Zone's suggestion re: 1 person teams and walkovers.

I think the YEC should be an 8 person, RR format, juts like the real YEC. Yes, it excludes some more people, but that's that way the real tour is set up anyways...

I agree with In The Zone about the doubles walkovers. 1 person forgetting to make picks should count as a walkover, regardless if the other person sent picks or not. Again, just like the real tour, you can't play doubles without a partner :)

I also think that the number of players per tournament should stick as closely as possible to the actual schedule of the WTA. However, I understand the amount of work required to run a tournament here for TT, so if it's not possible to have 128 person Majors (just to use that as an example), I understand.

Oh, and I agree with Milan's suggestion about the SR and doubles matches :)

in chinese forums,there are 2 games like TT and there are 2 TB rules.
In China Open, Davenport 7-6 6-1 Dementieva(13/7)
I choose Davenport 7-5 6-3 (13/8)
The other is Davenport 6-4 6-2 (12/6)

one TB rule is |13-13|+|8-7|=1 (closer)
|12-13|+|6-7|=2


the other TB rule is 13 divided by 7 is 1.857
13 divided by 8 is 1.625
12 divided by 6 is 2(closer)

I don't know which is right

draw size should be not bigger then in real

example: Miami 64 draw and not bigger, Bali 32 and not bigger

it should be in all singles tournaments 28 MD + 4 Q with 16 QD and not like the manager wants ... :rolleyes:

in doubles 14 MD + 2 Q with 8QD :)

and YEC of course like in real but I would make 8 doubles teams in 2 groups and not just 4 teams like in real :)


about the commitments...

I love how is done on mtf - 2 weeks before tournament manager making a thread, then one week for singles commitments and then doubles commitments till friday... qualies should be played on weekend

:)

still searching someone to do the rankings. this week I will post last ranks made by myself - with YEC and challengers that week were played :)

If we are doing draws like the real tour, then qualies should be 32D. A 16 qualie draw really makes a hierarchy in TT as a small number will be limited to the upper tiers and it will be hard for others to break in/through.

- TB rules
I think it's fine as it is. Clear and all possible situations mentioned.
Btw, if the score is 62 62, it seems pretty logical that the one who said 64 60 wins over the other one who said 63 63 (4 games).

- size of draws
As it is in real, as much as possible. And never bigger.
GS: maybe consider a 96-player-draw (84 direct entries, 12 qualifiers?)... Depends on how many people commit. I fear it's too much, though (USO: <100 players, Wimbledon: <90).

- YEC format
8 players, RR format. Just as WTA does (same schedules and all). Much funnier.

- commitment deadlines
Maybe on Friday and if there aren't enough players, choose another deadline to get more players in.

- anything else you think of
- Schedule to stay the same. Personally, I don't like 2-day rounds. I like it as it is atm.
- Little suggestion: qualies from Sat to Mon (if 3 rounds are needed). Don't care about that, actually.
- Alts not allowed when the draw is made. Entry only allowed if a player withdraws (in Q1r only).
- I like ITZ's idea. Doubles: one player withdraws => team withdraws.
- Weeks with one tournament: ITF to be held the same week (provided that it's at least 50k), to help new players improve their ranking.
- In qualies, not less than 1/4 player to get MD spot (max. 16 players in QD if 4 qualifiers are allowed).
- Managers: threads opened on Wednesday at latest (Monday would be even better).
- Strict rules, the manager can't do whatever he wants (schedules, etc).

i think some rules should be changed for TB's :p

ex: Player B def Player A 46 63 63

X picks Player A 63 36 63
Y picks Player A 46 64 64

Y wins because gave 1 more game to Player B :tape:

i think in this case,when both have the wrong winner,it's better use TB2 :shrug:

challengers should be in this forum and not in the challengers forum...they are easier to find..:
I agree. I think we should start with this now already, all challenger tourney threads should be posted in the TT forum from now on.
Easier to find and it avoids clogging up the Challenger forum, which is different then a tournament forum, where it's actually appropriate to have TT threads.

I have to be agree with everyone here, lets make the draw as theyre in the real tour, never bigger, lets try to do them as real as possible ;)

For the yec i would like it to be 8 players and 8 teams as it is on ATP real yec ;) RR Format, best 2 of each group advance to semis

I like the way the commitments are on MTF, in the thread of the tourney, however allowing people commit doubles since the 1st day, no need to wait a week to do it, cuz some people may forgot

I also like doing Q on weekends, having the real TT schedule, however keeping the format: TT FINAL = Semis+Final

For 2008 i would like that the manager to be stricts with the rules, since it would save us a lot of problems and make the game for friendly

Somepeople like me before, is always wanting to know what they need with out thinking if the manager is doing something else, they also have a life, those players should get warnings, and at the 3rd warning get fined with Ranking Points..

Indeed with the suggestion 1 Doubles player dont send = W/O

I forgot to say something and i may get spanked for this :lol: but i think that dosent matter how many matchs are on a day, you shouldnt get a point if you predicted the correct SR, it should be only the winner, like on mtf, however its just my opinion (:p)

Funny that you are bringing up the warning for players. With the way you acted you'd have negative points if had rules like that this year.

Also I personally like the set ratio rule as it is. Esp. since with it diminishes a chance of matches being decided on a tb, which is always helpful.

Funny that you are bringing up the warning for players. With the way you acted you'd have negative points if had rules like that this year.

Also I personally like the set ratio rule as it is. Esp. since with it diminishes a chance of matches being decided on a tb, which is always helpful.

When was the last time i asked for what do i need?... WAYYYY LOOOONG TIMMEEEEE AGOOO!

Oh, and something else:
Should we still accept picks once the matches have started?
Some managers do, others immediately replace the players with LLs.
I think the latter option is better: when a player is late, he gets dsq.

When was the last time i asked for what do i need?... WAYYYY LOOOONG TIMMEEEEE AGOOO!

it's not only that...

When was the last time i asked for what do i need?... WAYYYY LOOOONG TIMMEEEEE AGOOO!

So by way long time ago you mean Nov 9th
http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=11967130&postcount=151

I also like the rule of if one dubs player doesn't send picks it gets counted as a W/O

I also agree that if play has begun, the LLs should enter -- universally, not varying from tournament to tournament.

agree with LL :)

Ok here's my thoughts. The "closer to the score" TB system has grown on me slightly, but it's still a little too confusing. I haven't been able to find a detailed explanation of how it works either. Anyhoo, my main 3 complaints.... :p

1) I don't understand why if someone doesn't send picks they're not replaced straight away by a LL. I would say as soon as they miss the 1st match they get replaced.

2) I don't like the fact that both rounds of qualifying is played on the same day. I don't think it's too much to ask for a manager to start a day earlier (and use real qualifying matches if necessary).

3) When SRs are used, I don't think they should be worth the same amount as a correct pick. If they are to be used, I'd say each correct pick should be worth 1 point and a correct SR worth 1/2 a point.

B U M P, we need solutions since gold coast begins in 1 months and 12 days? so in 1 month more or less we need to start comitting..

B U M P, we need solutions since gold coast begins in 1 months and 12 days? so in 1 month more or less we need to start comitting..

In the threads hopefully :p
Maybe there should come some polls. :)

b U M P

TB rules

Good as it is now

size of draws

Should be as it is in real as much as possible. Never bigger! But it's up to the manager to adjust the size of the different draws if there are not enough TT players

YEC format

so, say goodbye to the old knock-out format :o and welcome to RR (best 8 players divided in 2 groups) :D

commitment deadlines

For each tournaments, deadline sould be clarified (exact DATE+HOUR) in the commitment thread
- for singles : approx. a week before the beginning of the tournament
- for doubles : not later than the start of the wta tournament

anything else you think of

no late picks allowed! LL placed just after the start of play!
and for doubles, if one player of the team did not send his picks, the team is OUT! (1st round : replaced by a LL or w/o if this situation happens in another round)

TT threads open on monday, if not, the current manager is replaced by someone else!

Seems good :p

Were 1 month away of 1st tournament of the year..

and nothing has been decided yet.. if we decide to commit as in MTF, then it would only let us 15 dyas..

I agree with everything Aleksz said.

I agree with everything Aleksz said.

Me too

Ok here's my thoughts. The "closer to the score" TB system has grown on me slightly, but it's still a little too confusing. I haven't been able to find a detailed explanation of how it works either. Anyhoo, my main 3 complaints.... :p

1) I don't understand why if someone doesn't send picks they're not replaced straight away by a LL. I would say as soon as they miss the 1st match they get replaced.

2) I don't like the fact that both rounds of qualifying is played on the same day. I don't think it's too much to ask for a manager to start a day earlier (and use real qualifying matches if necessary).

3) When SRs are used, I don't think they should be worth the same amount as a correct pick. If they are to be used, I'd say each correct pick should be worth 1 point and a correct SR worth 1/2 a point.

I agree with Adam 100%.

I think it's silly that someone is not replaced as long as they send in picks before the LAST match of the day is played when there are LLs available who sent in picks on time. If people don't send in picks, they should be replaced with people who are actually interested in playing :shrug:

With the qualifying I mean, it's awful having to play multiple rounds in the same day, and if as proposed, you guys start following "real world" draw sizes here, I think it would make things a lot more fair. When you have to worry about winning two matches in one day it is difficult to make a strategy. Taking a risk doesn't only affect one match but possibly two or three? It's just not at all "realistic" if WTAW TT wants to go down the "realisitic" route.

The last part of Adam's post really doesn't bother me too too much, the least of the issues I think, but I think it's awful if someone predicts all the right winners of the matches loses to someone who predicted less winners, but got more SRs right :shrug: There should be an emphasis on winners and a demphasis on SR, in my opinion. But again not a huge issue.

I've mostly enjoyed my half a season here and will play again next season regardless of what's decided, but these points could be a change for the better, certainly.

i dont like the 2 points for getting the set ratio right

Guys, what is going to happen now?

i agree with keeping the draws as the real tournaments, even though i hattttttttte the Q games :sad:

Ok here's my thoughts. The "closer to the score" TB system has grown on me slightly, but it's still a little too confusing. I haven't been able to find a detailed explanation of how it works either. Anyhoo, my main 3 complaints.... :p

1) I don't understand why if someone doesn't send picks they're not replaced straight away by a LL. I would say as soon as they miss the 1st match they get replaced.

2) I don't like the fact that both rounds of qualifying is played on the same day. I don't think it's too much to ask for a manager to start a day earlier (and use real qualifying matches if necessary).

3) When SRs are used, I don't think they should be worth the same amount as a correct pick. If they are to be used, I'd say each correct pick should be worth 1 point and a correct SR worth 1/2 a point.

I agree with the first two points.

I disagree with the third mainly because we only use that rule when there is less than 8 matches, and the fact is that wta is easier to predict in general than atp, so sr is a useful tool for avoiding a tie break which would otherwise be more common. In saying that, I take the point that it is possible for someone to win while getting fewer matches correct than the other person....

decisions?

I propose that , now that you can donate to other users Credits (Cash, coins etc..), clicking on them number of credits, we should give prize money for tourney! :)

but we should put the same amount for all tourneys, and the manager of the tourney must pay it!! how ever just prize money for the winner and runner up ;)

I propose soemthing like

WINNER: 1000 (S) and 500-500 (D)
RU: 500 (S) and 250-250 (D)

it would be a total of 3000$ to run a tournament..

I propose that , now that you can donate to other users Credits (Cash, coins etc..), clicking on them number of credits, we should give prize money for tourney! :)

but we should put the same amount for all tourneys, and the manager of the tourney must pay it!! how ever just prize money for the winner and runner up ;)

I propose soemthing like

WINNER: 1000 (S) and 500-500 (D)
RU: 500 (S) and 250-250 (D)

it would be a total of 3000$ to run a tournament..

and who gives the credits?
you? :)

:lol:
who care of credits:o

I propose that , now that you can donate to other users Credits (Cash, coins etc..), clicking on them number of credits, we should give prize money for tourney! :)

but we should put the same amount for all tourneys, and the manager of the tourney must pay it!! how ever just prize money for the winner and runner up ;)

I propose soemthing like

WINNER: 1000 (S) and 500-500 (D)
RU: 500 (S) and 250-250 (D)

it would be a total of 3000$ to run a tournament..

Rik are you blind?? :rolleyes:

:lol:
who care of credits:o

maybe it can be a non-obligatory rule or something..

Rik are you blind?? :rolleyes:

But there are no managers then :rolleyes:
Manager do hard work with everything and then they also lose vCash money :o :haha:
I think managers should get vCash money for running a tournament. ;)

maybe it can be a non-obligatory rule or something..

we really need to introduce credits?:confused:

But there are no managers then :rolleyes:
Manager do hard work with everything and then they also lose vCash money :o :haha:
I think managers should get vCash money for running a tournament. ;)

*death* :rolls:

we really need to introduce credits?:confused:

just for fun, but if players dont want.. :shrug:

:smash::silly:

:smash::silly:

X 1000000000

We are almost 2 weeks from the new season and there aren't decisions till now :sad:

I hope the board takes some decisions earlier this week

We are almost 2 weeks from the new season and there aren't decisions till now :sad:

I hope the board takes some decisions earlier this week

Is there a board then?
If yes, I don't even know who is in it. :tape:
Bubba08? :scratch:

And if the board decides it won't be fair, it should be decided with a poll or something, like on MTF. ;)

Is there a board then?
If yes, I don't even know who is in it. :tape:
Bubba08? :scratch:

And if the board decides it won't be fair, it should be decided with a poll or something, like on MTF. ;)

I think someone should decide...we only have 14 days and a poll should need 1 week to work properly...

I wouldnt mind opening the polls, i just need the points:

Should We Commit as In MTF????
Should a player must be replaced as the 1st match begins and he didnt send??
Should qualifying rounds must be played on the same day?
Should the draws be as real as possible? Never Larger?
Should yec Use the RR System??
Should we keep the set ratio 1 poiint worth?
Should challengers thread be on TT forum as in MTF?

I wouldnt mind opening the polls, i just need the points:

Should We Commit as In MTF????
Should a player must be replaced as the 1st match begins and he didnt send??
Should qualifying rounds must be played on the same day?
Should the draws be as real as possible? Never Larger?
Should yec Use the RR System??
Should we keep the set ratio 1 poiint worth?
Should challengers thread be on TT forum as in MTF?

I don't have a problem if you open the polls. ;)
Hopefully others won't make it a problem if you open them. :tape: :help:
If you open them, we should be able to see who voted for what. Otherwise maybe non TT players vote too. ;)

I don't have a problem if you open the polls. ;)
Hopefully others won't make it a problem if you open them. :tape: :help:

Do you really think it makes sense to open polls for a week and then wait many more days to organize the decisions? it doesn't make sense as the season is about to start..

Anyways people expressed their opinions here and almost everyone has the same opinion about everything...

Can we play TT Survivor? Some people have just got to GO. :o

Can we play TT Survivor? Some people have just got to GO. :o

If you are talking about me (Wich im 99% you re) im sorry if im triying to help dude :rolleyes:

Can we play TT Survivor? Some people have just got to GO. :o

Like who?

Sorry, but next year I can't do the races..so the person who will do the ranks maybe can do this too..

Sorry, but next year I can't do the races..so the person who will do the ranks maybe can do this too..

:hug: Thanks for all the hard work, some people cant aprecciate all the work you did for us this year.. truly thanks rui :)

I disagree with the fact that the SRs count for one point when there are less than 8 matches. I think we should only count the SRs if a match is tie. Having the right winner of a match is more important than having the right SR

Can someone do a small summary plz? :awww:

Ruisantos did one but it seems like he deleted it :shrug:

it was not very good so i decided to delete it :shrug:

it was not very good so i decided to delete it :shrug:

it was a good one :awww:

Here's a summary of the ideas posted in this thread:

TB rules
- Good as it is according to most posters, a few things to be clarified according to some others (which one's better: giving the correct number of games to the winner or to the loser, etc.).
- Doubles: SRs not to be used when there are more than 4 matches scheduled (2 players/team = 8 picks).
- SRs to be devaluated (no point, 1/2 point)... different opinions on this.

Draw sizes
- As it is in real tour, as much as possible, and never bigger (maybe 128 is too much for a GS, though).
[ - Singles: 28MD, 16QD direct entries (4 qualifiers).
- Doubles: 14MD, 8QD direct entries (2 qualifiers). ]

YEC format
- RR, 8 players divided in 2 groups.

Commitment deadlines
- All commitments in the tournament thread.
- Thread opened on Monday (one week before), if not the manager gets replaced.
- Singles deadline: the week before (Monday? Friday?) // Doubles: Monday? => to be clarified.
- Late commitments not accepted unless the draw isn't full.
- MD starting Monday, qualies on Sat + Sun OR MD starting Tuesday, qualies on Sun + Mon.

Others
- Challenger threads in TT forum.
- Late picks => LL/Alt. takes the spot.
- Doubles: 1 player forgets to send picks => team is out, LL or Alt. takes the spot.
- 2 managers/GS, instead of 4.

Here's a summary of the ideas posted in this thread:

TB rules
- Good as it is according to most posters, a few things to be clarified according to some others (which one's better: giving the correct number of games to the winner or to the loser, etc.).
- Doubles: SRs not to be used when there are more than 4 matches scheduled (2 players/team = 8 picks).
- SRs to be devaluated (no point, 1/2 point)... different opinions on this.

Draw sizes
- As it is in real tour, as much as possible, and never bigger (maybe 128 is too much for a GS, though).
[ - Singles: 28MD, 16QD direct entries (4 qualifiers).
- Doubles: 14MD, 8QD direct entries (2 qualifiers). ]

YEC format
- RR, 8 players divided in 2 groups.

Commitment deadlines
- All commitments in the tournament thread.
- Thread opened on Monday (one week before), if not the manager gets replaced.
- Singles deadline: the week before (Monday? Friday?) // Doubles: Monday? => to be clarified.
- Late commitments not accepted unless the draw isn't full.
- MD starting Monday, qualies on Sat + Sun OR MD starting Tuesday, qualies on Sun + Mon.

Others
- Challenger threads in TT forum.
- Late picks => LL/Alt. takes the spot.
- Doubles: 1 player forgets to send picks => team is out, LL or Alt. takes the spot.
- 2 managers/GS, instead of 4.

this would make everything so compared, I think it's the best to keep it how it is now.
With the rest I totally agree.
I think it would be the best to start the MD on Tuesday if there is a Sunday final. And to start the MD on Monday if there is a Saterday final.
And for the qualies, qualies over 2 days.

Good summary :yeah: :worship:

- Doubles: SRs not to be used when there are more than 4 matches scheduled (2 players/team = 8 picks).

I meant 4 matches or more. ;)

congrats to Rui and Gigi who will now run all rankings :)

Ahem, did I say I will :p

Let's decide something :p

Ahem, did I say I will :p

Yes

Rui and Gigi :bowdown:

TT here needs more organisation :help:

Can you tell me how commitments will be? I cant open the Auckland thread without it..

Can you tell me how commitments will be? I cant open the Auckland thread without it..

You should open the thread now and open the Commitment thread too and people commit in both places just in case... :shrug:

TT here needs more organisation :help:
Indeed, thanks for your support.


:wazzup:

Can you tell me how commitments will be? I cant open the Auckland thread without it..
Take a look at the first page of the manager thread before whining.
For Auckland it's a 32 singles draw (28+4qualifers), 16 players in qualification (2 rounds), 16 doubles teams (14+2 qualifying teams).. etc.
TT draw format = wta draw format.

Got it? :)

I was talking about commitments :rolleyes: Will there be a commitment thread or like MTF in the thread.

I was talking about commitments :rolleyes: Will there be a commitment thread or like MTF in the thread.

Exactly alex, that was what he meant

Auckland Thread up.

Rules:
- draws are the same size as those on the actual WTA tour
- YEC format for singles equal to actual WTA format, top 8 singles players qualify, system the same as well
- commitments in the tournament threads from now on (deadline perhaps the Wednesday before the tournament, players can change tournaments by Friday), threads started at least a week in advance
- in doubles a walkover is awarded or LL placed already when only one of the players doesn't send in picks
- if a player doesn't not send picks in the first round of a tournament by the start of play, then a LL is replacing him in the draw (this does not apply in later rounds)
- no more multiple rounds on one day (like we had in qualies), qualies played on multiple days (Saturday, Sunday, Monday, depends on the number of players)
- if a combined number of matches to be picked in doubles are 8 or more then the set ratios are not counted
- challenger threads are started in this forum and not in the Challengers forum

If someone objects, do it now, or else this are the final changes. :p

Love them all.

Just. So that means entries should close on the Friday before. So that way the manager can finalize the list and see if qualies will need all 3 or just 2 days. :)

What about the size of Slam draws? 64 or 96? 128? Everyone has mentioned a different number.

Rules:
- if a combined number of matches to be picked in doubles are 8 or more then the set ratios are not counted


Can you please explain me this one?

Can you please explain me this one?

If only 4 matches are on the OOP, then that means 8 tips or picks so no SR are needed -- like in singles when there are eight or more.

So SRs will only count in doubles if there are 3 or less matches on the OOP.

Can you please explain me this one?

If you have 4 Matches in the OOP SR's are not counted for doubles ;)

4+4=8...8 is the combined number of matches :p

I start Auckland Saturday, considering I have a 32 MD and 16 Q. The Deadline will be Friday, okay?

Rik, I think it means that if there are 4 matches on the OOP, there is 8 picks for the team, so no SR used. Simpler would be to say no SR in doubles if more than 4 matches :shrug:

Qualys on monday or on weekends?

If only 4 matches are on the OOP, then that means 8 tips or picks so no SR are needed -- like in singles when there are eight or more.

So SRs will only count in doubles if there are 3 or less matches on the OOP.

Stupid rule :help:
Then you have to count singles others then doubles :tape:

And Milan, who decided that, you at your own, or more people? :shrug:

Qualys on monday or on weekends?

Qualies will be on Saturday or Sunday depending on the size of the draw and the manager's decision.

Stupid rule :help:
Then you have to count singles others then doubles :tape:

And Milan, who decided that, you at your own, or more people? :shrug:

Well, it was decided because in doubles where 7 matches are on the OOP, which would be 28 possible points for a team -- a team could win by having less winners and correct SRs, defeating a team that would have more winners correct but wrong SRs. Choosing the correct winner, everyone has decided, is more important so that's why SRs won't be counted as often in doubles.

Stupid rule :help:
Then you have to count singles others then doubles :tape:

And Milan, who decided that, you at your own, or more people? :shrug:

Doubles is no different from singles. Since two people are playing 8 points are available when four matches are played. In that case no set ratios are counted. It is the same in singles when 8 points are available, which happens when 8 matches are played. There is no difference therefore, when set ratios are involved. When 8 points are available, you don't count set ratios.

I like all the new rules. And glad that Tuesday remains MD day 1. :)

And Milan, who decided that, you at your own, or more people? :shrug:
I added it to my summary, therefore - yes, several people asked for this.

Ben MD Day 1 si monday since qualy are on weekend now i think..

NO GC Thread yet.,.

Hmm, it seems that it's still on Tuesday. Read the rules above, Monday is quoted as a quali day. ;)

Hmm, it seems that it's still on Tuesday. Read the rules above, Monday is quoted as a quali day. ;)

Look..

Qualies will be on Saturday or Sunday depending on the size of the draw and the manager's decision.

Wll i dont know then :p

Look..

There you go:

- no more multiple rounds on one day (like we had in qualies), qualies played on multiple days (Saturday, Sunday, Monday, depends on the number of players)

If I understood well, it's a Saturday or Sunday start, ending Monday.

I think that he meant Monday like an example... ;) Manager can start monday if he wants.. and if is necessary then monday of qualy too!

Yep.

If the manager wants to, Monday can be the beginning of main draw. But most people will probably not do that. If three rounds of qualies, then a Saturday start. If two, then a Sunday. Each tournament will vary. So pay attention. :)

thats true if i run a tourney with 2 qualy days it will be

saturday & sunday with monday start =)!

thats true if i run a tourney with 2 qualy days it will be

saturday & sunday with monday start =)!

No, it will most likely be Sunday and Monday, with the MD starting on Tuesday.

Yep.

If the manager wants to, Monday can be the beginning of main draw. But most people will probably not do that. If three rounds of qualies, then a Saturday start. If two, then a Sunday. Each tournament will vary. So pay attention. :)

Well in the AO Series the MD's have to start on Monday.

If the quali ends on Mondays, then 1st round TUesday, 2nd round Wednesday, Quarters Thursday, Semis Friday and for the final only a pick?

Well in the AO Series the MD's have to start on Monday.

If the quali ends on Mondays, then 1st round TUesday, 2nd round Wednesday, Quarters Thursday, Semis Friday and for the final only a pick?

Of course. Each tournament will have its own exception. :) That's why the threads need to be opened and organized so everyone can pay attention.

There you go:



If I understood well, it's a Saturday or Sunday start, ending Monday.

No, cause in case of a saturday final you cant start MD on Tuesday :)

No, cause in case of a saturday final you cant start MD on Tuesday :)

That is the exception to the rule, as In the Zone explained.

At least qualifing is over more days now :banana:

No, cause in case of a saturday final you cant start MD on Tuesday :)
Oh, sure. I didn't want more 2-day rounds. If it's the only exception, that's okay.

Tournaments with 32SD/16SQ/16DD/8DQ TT draw, final on Sunday

Sunday - Singles qualifying first round.
Monday - Singles qualifying second round + doubles qualifying first round.
Tuesday - Singles first round + doubles qualifying second round.
Wednesday - Singles second round + doubles first round.
Thursday - Singles and doubles quarters.
Friday - Singles and doubles semis.
Saturday+Sunday - Singles and doubles finals

One week tournaments with 64 TT draw or 32 TT draw, final on Saturday (Dubai, Istanbul, Acapulco etc.)

Saturday - Singles qualifying first round.
Sunday - Singles qualifying second round + doubles qualifying first round.
Monday - Singles first round + doubles qualifying second round.

etc.

Other schedules (Sydney, Hobart, Forest Hills, Beijing etc.) - manager uses common sense.

When should I open the Hobart thread?

Also is this schedule ok for the singles draw -
Friday – TT Qualifying 1st Round
Saturday - TT Qualifying 2nd Round
Sunday - TT 1st Round
Monday - TT 2nd Round
Tuesday - TT QF
Wednesday - TT SF
Thursday + Friday - TT F

Looks good! Since the plan is to have the thread open a week before, you should/can open the thread any time now.

The Australians tournaments are the toughest, especially because of the time differences and Sunday starts/Friday ends. But in reality, it's no different from a Monday start/Saturday end.

I'll be at TT Hobart. :D

Tournaments with 32SD/16SQ/16DD/8DQ TT draw, final on Sunday

Sunday - Singles qualifying first round.
Monday - Singles qualifying second round + doubles qualifying first round.
Tuesday - Singles first round + doubles qualifying second round.
Wednesday - Singles second round + doubles first round.
Thursday - Singles and doubles quarters.
Friday - Singles and doubles semis.
Saturday+Sunday - Singles and doubles finals

One week tournaments with 64 TT draw or 32 TT draw, final on Saturday (Dubai, Istanbul, Acapulco etc.)

Saturday - Singles qualifying first round.
Sunday - Singles qualifying second round + doubles qualifying first round.
Monday - Singles first round + doubles qualifying second round.

etc.

Other schedules (Sydney, Hobart, Forest Hills, Beijing etc.) - manager uses common sense.

I think we should sticky this or save it somehow so everyone can see. This is exactly we everyone needs to see/know.

When should I open the Hobart thread?

Also is this schedule ok for the singles draw -
Friday – TT Qualifying 1st Round
Saturday - TT Qualifying 2nd Round
Sunday - TT 1st Round
Monday - TT 2nd Round
Tuesday - TT QF
Wednesday - TT SF
Thursday + Friday - TT F

I think you can open it now ;)
Altough there is no manager for Sydney tournament :o

Hobart thread is up :)

Board can i take Ania off the ranks? She officially said she retired...When a player does that in wtatour that player disappears from the ranks...

Board can i take Ania off the ranks? She officially said she retired...When a player does that in wtatour that player disappears from the ranks...

As far as I am concerned, then yes. If she decides to come back, then I guess she can have a protected ranking or sth :shrug:

Board can i take Ania off the ranks? She officially said she retired...When a player does that in wtatour that player disappears from the ranks...
The WTA removes them if they ask for it, I think. As long as Ania doesn't, it's fair that she keeps the #1 rank, imo.

As far as I am concerned, then yes. If she decides to come back, then I guess she can have a protected ranking or sth :shrug:

removed...i'll keep her points in order if she wants to return ;)